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A.T.C. Flight Training Center - Clinton

Introductory Flight or 10 Hours or 50 Hours of Flight Time at A.T.C. Flight Training Center in Fort Washington (Up to Half Off)

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  • Expires Jun 5th, 2013.
  • Limit 1 per person, may buy multiple as gifts. Valid only for option purchased. Reservation required; subject to availability and weather. Under 18 must have parent present. Must sign waiver. Must speak English.
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Questions and Answers 11 questions

Commonly Asked Questions

Q:

1) Is 50 hours a good average to earn an FAA pilot certification, if you pick it up well, or what is the average flight time hours for an FAA pilot certification? 2) What additional costs would be needed to get the FAA pilot certification, besides the 50 hours, if you are a good learner and pilot? 3) How much gas (in gallons or whatever your unit of measurement is),do you typically spend on average during a 1 hour flight? 4) Given that gas prices change, how many gallons of Jet Fuel or gas does one need on average to fly50 hours? and/or get an FAA pilot certification?

brett t.  asked on  May 29, 2012

A:

Depending on how often you fly and how well you pick it up 50-hours is a good amount of time. The national average is 50-70 hours and we chose 50 because even if you don't get done at 50, the additional costs won't be too much. 2. I set up a page with all of the additional costs. This program is for just the aircraft time, the most expensive part of learning to fly. Instruction and fuel are paid at the end of each flight. Here is the page: http://www.lrn2fly.com/Groupon_deal.html. 3. The Cessna 172 burns between 6 and 10 gallons per hour depending on what you are working on. If you are doing a lot of take off and landings it can burn 11 or 12 per hour and if you are doing slow flight it can burn less than 6. We use 8 gallons per hour as an average.. 4. The airport has a program where they charge $0.05 to $0.10 per gallon over their cost. Right now it's $5.15 a gallon. If fuel prices go down they lower the price with each delivery. To get a ball park on fuel cost over 50 hours just multiply 8gphX50 hours X $x.xx per gallon. Right now that would be $2060 but over 6 months I would expect that to be more like $1600-$1800. Fuel was less than $4 a gallon not long ago. We use 100 LL not jet fuel by the way. The page I gave you the link to has it all broken down.

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  May 29, 2012

Q:

What is the minimum age? I see that under 18 you must have parent permission, but is there an absolute minimum age?

Jessica W.  asked on  May 29, 2012

A:

FAA minimums are 15 to take the written exam, 16 to solo and 17 to get your license. There is no minimum age to take lessons. We have had 15 year olds take lessons so they could solo on their 16th birthday. Everytime you do anything, the way things are today, you have to have a parents permission if you are under 18.

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  May 29, 2012

Q:

What does the pilot certificate option not cover? I.e. gas, ground school, etc

Joseph H.  asked on  May 29, 2012

A:

It's easier to say what it does cover which is just the cost of the aircraft. That is the most expensive part of learning to fly. At our normal prices 50 hours costs over $4400. We did this so that the most expensive part is covered in one shot and then you pay the smaller pieces (Instruction and fuel) as you use them. We can always sell a package covering the instruction as well once you purchase the Groupon deal. Here is the link for all of the other expenses I could think of. These are not things we charge but things you will need. http://www.lrn2fly.com/Groupon_deal.html

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  May 29, 2012

Q:

Do the 10 and 50 hour deals include flight instruction or do we have to pay extra for an instructor?

Rachel S.  asked on  May 29, 2012

A:

Instruction is extra. For the 10 hours, if you have 182 time, you will only need a CFI for an hour or 2. The 50-hours is intended for Private pilot but could be used for Instrument as well.

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  May 29, 2012

Q:

For someone actually interesting in getting their liscense, what other expenses would we have that this groupon does not cover? I assume there is a cost for the FAA test, testing materials? Maybe a class? Also, do the hours of flight time include the cost of an instructor to fly with you?

Holly D.  asked on  May 29, 2012

A:

I put all of that information on a page. Here is the link: http://www.lrn2fly.com/Groupon_deal.html. Since the 50-hour deal does not include instruction you have to add that in as well (it is listed at the top of the page). The nice thing is you have the 50 hours in the aircraft with this deal and you only have to cover fuel and instruction after each flight. We can do a package for instruction as well if you would like. That would be additional after you bought the Groupon deal.

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  May 29, 2012

Q:

The deal mentioined "over the next 6 to 9 months training"....does that mean that we have a timeline we have to follow or is there no restriction on time lapsed between training flights? The deal also mentiones the groupon expires June 5th 2013..does that mean we have to use up all 50 hours by then or can we simply cash in the groupon and sign up for our flight training before June 5th, 2013.....and then take months to train beyond that date? Also, I'm 50 years old so is there an age limit to being able to hold a license or is it as long as you pass the physical? I would hate to spend the time and money to get cerfitied and only be able to use my license up to 65 years of age or something similar.

Robert R.  asked on  May 29, 2012

A:

It will take most people 6-9 months, flying 2x a week to obtain their license. We have students already so you can't expect to fly 7 days a week right away, and most people can't anyway. So the goal is to get your license before the "expiration date". At the expiration date, depending on how many hours you have used we will work out what to do from there. According to groupon rules you retain the cash value (meaning if the voucher is at $50 an hour you keep that but you would have to pay the difference between that and our regular price) if I understand it correctly. The truth is, if you don't get your license within a year you are not going to finish in under 50 hours and there will be additional costs. There is no age limit. If you have any medical conditions you may want to see if they will cause an issue getting your medical certificate. The 3rd class medical, which is all you need, is very easy and it's usually blood pressue that trips people up. You can go to http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/medical_certification/faq/response4/. From there you can find answers to many questions about medicals. Here is a link to find an examiner: http://flightphysical.com/ I am fairly certain, if you buy the voucher and go get your medical and you can not be certified, Groupon will issue a refund. Please do this as soon as possible if you think there may be something that will disqualify you. If you are healthy, not on any medications and not color blind you should be fine.. You can also call the FAA or call us if you have a specific question and we will do our best to get the answer. I hope that answers your questions. Let me know if you still have concerns.

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  May 29, 2012

Q:

For the introductory 1 hour class, how many students are typically on the flight together.

Amy T.  asked on  May 31, 2012

A:

Just 1. One person can sit in the back seat and observe. It's not a class as in sitting in a classroom. The Instructor will take you out to the aircraft, go through the pre-flight inspection with you and teach you the parts of the aircraft and what they do. This is the same thing we do if someone walks in and says they want to start training for their license. It's the first lesson. Sitting in a classroom at that point would not serve the student in any way since learning the parts of the aircraft and going up for the first flight are what you need to do. There is self-study work and a good bit of reading and one on one time with the Instructor further along in the training but for the first flight its all done out at the aircraft.

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  May 31, 2012

More Questions and Answers

Q:

Can the 50 hour offer be used by licensed pilots as straight flying time? In my case will need an annual and probably a few hours of refresher with an instructor. Thanks.

Jesse  asked on  Jun 1, 2012

A:

Yes but you would be limited to scheduling 2 hour blocks. The intention of this program is for students to get their license. The 172's are kind of set aside for students to train in and letting licensed pilots take the aircraft for long flights would defeat the purpose. If you were doing an instrument rating then it might make sense. We will work with you in any way we can. Our primary mission is training but we have the 182 so licensed pilots have an aircraft they can go on trips in. If you need the BFR and don't have any 182 time, the 10-hour deal would be a good way to get current again. After you use the 10 hours we have a club type program or we have blocks of time you can buy. I wish we had enough 172's to let pilots just go burn off 50 hours but that would be difficult with our current student load. Not impossible but not something one could use in a month or 2.

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  Jun 1, 2012

Q:

For the introductory 1 hour class, how many students are typically on the flight together.

Amy T.  asked on  May 31, 2012

A:

Just 1. One person can sit in the back seat and observe. It's not a class as in sitting in a classroom. The Instructor will take you out to the aircraft, go through the pre-flight inspection with you and teach you the parts of the aircraft and what they do. This is the same thing we do if someone walks in and says they want to start training for their license. It's the first lesson. Sitting in a classroom at that point would not serve the student in any way since learning the parts of the aircraft and going up for the first flight are what you need to do. There is self-study work and a good bit of reading and one on one time with the Instructor further along in the training but for the first flight its all done out at the aircraft.

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  May 31, 2012

Q:

Do we get a certificate for an introductory class for 1 hr? Are there any other hidden costs with this introductory deal? Will I have to spend more money for something else?

Amrita K.  asked on  May 30, 2012

A:

No, there is no certificate for the one hour introductory class. The Groupon includes everything for the introductory flight. Thanks!

Marty S.  from  Self  replied on  May 31, 2012

Q:

The deal mentioined "over the next 6 to 9 months training"....does that mean that we have a timeline we have to follow or is there no restriction on time lapsed between training flights? The deal also mentiones the groupon expires June 5th 2013..does that mean we have to use up all 50 hours by then or can we simply cash in the groupon and sign up for our flight training before June 5th, 2013.....and then take months to train beyond that date? Also, I'm 50 years old so is there an age limit to being able to hold a license or is it as long as you pass the physical? I would hate to spend the time and money to get cerfitied and only be able to use my license up to 65 years of age or something similar.

Robert R.  asked on  May 29, 2012

A:

It will take most people 6-9 months, flying 2x a week to obtain their license. We have students already so you can't expect to fly 7 days a week right away, and most people can't anyway. So the goal is to get your license before the "expiration date". At the expiration date, depending on how many hours you have used we will work out what to do from there. According to groupon rules you retain the cash value (meaning if the voucher is at $50 an hour you keep that but you would have to pay the difference between that and our regular price) if I understand it correctly. The truth is, if you don't get your license within a year you are not going to finish in under 50 hours and there will be additional costs. There is no age limit. If you have any medical conditions you may want to see if they will cause an issue getting your medical certificate. The 3rd class medical, which is all you need, is very easy and it's usually blood pressue that trips people up. You can go to http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/medical_certification/faq/response4/. From there you can find answers to many questions about medicals. Here is a link to find an examiner: http://flightphysical.com/ I am fairly certain, if you buy the voucher and go get your medical and you can not be certified, Groupon will issue a refund. Please do this as soon as possible if you think there may be something that will disqualify you. If you are healthy, not on any medications and not color blind you should be fine.. You can also call the FAA or call us if you have a specific question and we will do our best to get the answer. I hope that answers your questions. Let me know if you still have concerns.

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  May 29, 2012

Q:

For someone actually interesting in getting their liscense, what other expenses would we have that this groupon does not cover? I assume there is a cost for the FAA test, testing materials? Maybe a class? Also, do the hours of flight time include the cost of an instructor to fly with you?

Holly D.  asked on  May 29, 2012

A:

I put all of that information on a page. Here is the link: http://www.lrn2fly.com/Groupon_deal.html. Since the 50-hour deal does not include instruction you have to add that in as well (it is listed at the top of the page). The nice thing is you have the 50 hours in the aircraft with this deal and you only have to cover fuel and instruction after each flight. We can do a package for instruction as well if you would like. That would be additional after you bought the Groupon deal.

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  May 29, 2012

Q:

I got my PPL in 88, have flown a few times, lost my loogbook with around 120 hours, will like to get back in the air, currently work for republic airlines as a FA, just turn 55, ex army golden knight with 8000 jumps, ifr commercial is the goal, how much will that cost me, maybe twin certification also.

maurice f.  asked on  May 29, 2012

A:

The big issue is your lost logbook. You will have to contact the FSDO, (Flight Standards District Office) and see what you need to do. IFR the cost would be for the CFI hours and fuel and will depend on how many hours you need. We have other IFR students so you can trade off acting as safety pilot for each other and save money on instruction. I would estimate a minimum of 20-25 hours with a CFI ($47.50/hour). As for twin, we don't currently operate a twin. We have others in the area we can hook you up with. Getting your IFR with the 50 hour package (Single engine) will be the least expensive way to go. If you wanted to fly the 182 instead of a 172, there would be a small hourly charge for the larger aircraft.

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  May 29, 2012

Q:

Do the 10 and 50 hour deals include flight instruction or do we have to pay extra for an instructor?

Rachel S.  asked on  May 29, 2012

A:

Instruction is extra. For the 10 hours, if you have 182 time, you will only need a CFI for an hour or 2. The 50-hours is intended for Private pilot but could be used for Instrument as well.

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  May 29, 2012

Q:

The deal says that we can use the credit towards flight time if we are already llicensed. Does that mean an instructor is extra in the first scenario or what? Fuel charge of $18 per month seems a bit low. If I were to fly all my 50 hours in one month, I would still only pay for $18 worth of fuel? Please clarify. Thanks.

Mike S.  asked on  May 29, 2012

A:

Groupon worded that poorly. The fuel club is $18 per month and you get fuel at $0.05 to $0.10 above airport cost. Right now it's $5.15 a gallon and if you8 check other airports its well over $6 per gallon. Expect for the 1-hour introductory lesson, CFI (Instructor) is extra. Curently we charge $47.50 per hour for the CFI's. If you are taliking about the 10-hour deal, a licensed pilot would need the CFI for a check-out (1-hour as long as you are safe) and then there wouldn't be any charge for instruction as you could take the aircraft solo.

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  May 29, 2012

Q:

What does the pilot certificate option not cover? I.e. gas, ground school, etc

Joseph H.  asked on  May 29, 2012

A:

It's easier to say what it does cover which is just the cost of the aircraft. That is the most expensive part of learning to fly. At our normal prices 50 hours costs over $4400. We did this so that the most expensive part is covered in one shot and then you pay the smaller pieces (Instruction and fuel) as you use them. We can always sell a package covering the instruction as well once you purchase the Groupon deal. Here is the link for all of the other expenses I could think of. These are not things we charge but things you will need. http://www.lrn2fly.com/Groupon_deal.html

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  May 29, 2012

Q:

What is the minimum age? I see that under 18 you must have parent permission, but is there an absolute minimum age?

Jessica W.  asked on  May 29, 2012

A:

FAA minimums are 15 to take the written exam, 16 to solo and 17 to get your license. There is no minimum age to take lessons. We have had 15 year olds take lessons so they could solo on their 16th birthday. Everytime you do anything, the way things are today, you have to have a parents permission if you are under 18.

JD D.  from  Merchant  replied on  May 29, 2012

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